welcome to the alone a show where you get the real headlines with none of the mersey are going live in washington d.c. now it's not ready to talk about events in anaheim over the weekend where police involved shooting led to protests and police firing rubber bullets into a crowd of women and children present we're going to speak to a reporter from the area and davey d. about police violence that will host our monday hangover panel with a number of foreign policy topics on the list bloody day in iraq a new policy on guantanamo bay and the history of targeted killings of all that and more tonight including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media decided to me.

after friday's horrific movie theater shooting in aurora colorado there are still a lot of unanswered questions we're now learning more about the victims we've heard some heroic stories the information about the shooter himself is still unfolding and very slowly he did make his first appearance in court today. president obama comfort survivors and victims' families in colorado telling the country to focus on them and not the shooter himself heads to court for the first time later this morning you know this morning alleged gunman james holmes for the first time the suspect james holmes makes his first court appearance just minutes from now the courthouse just being thirteen miles away from the century sixteen theater where twelve people died at midnight showing of the dark knight rises it will be the first time holmes has been seen in public twenty four year old james holmes is likely to face first degree murder charges for the twelve people killed our first

look at the suspected gunman in the movie theater massacre the nation mourn the or shooting victims. president obama spent nearly three hours visiting privately with family members of the victims mourning and remembering the lives of their family and friends police say the suspects here was dyed red he reportedly told officers he was the joker twenty four year old james holmes has been in solitary confinement since he was taken into custody friday morning. there are still isn't a whole lot that we can say about this tragic event we don't know the motive and even if we did it's not going to bring back the lives that were lost and they said on friday i hope that it will trigger a civil and productive discussion on how we can try to prevent senseless crimes like this gun control how we treat our mentally ill but at the end of the day there is no one hundred percent guarantee and as i mentioned on friday i think the mainstream media is right in covering this story the nature of course of the twenty four hour news cycle leads to a lot of mistakes and a lot of assumptions lot of analysts making things up because there aren't enough

time and the facts or details to fill the time unfortunately but i would like to mention another story today that i also think deserves airtime it's not something that you compare to a mass shooting doesn't take anything away from aurora there are very different things that for many communities in the u.s. it's a very real and very frequent part of life a daily part of life to gun violence is rampant in certain cities across the u.s. chicago taking the lead there's also kind of gun violence that occurs from the police we've covered these stories for you over the years perhaps the most prominent of them being the example of oscar grant in oakland he was the young man who was shot and killed on a subway platform when i just this past weekend there was another police involved shooting that's caused an outcry in the community on saturday night twenty four year old manual diaz was fatally shot in anaheim and according to reports he was running away from the police and was shot from behind he then fell to his knees and was struck with another bullet in the head diaz was then handcuffed and after being after he had been shot then he was taken to the hospital and he died three hours

later now this park protest clashes with the police on both saturday and sunday night in anaheim or. to get to the details of what happened there in our first interview but the thing is that it's not a first off residents have been protesting outside the anaheim police department on a weekly basis over officer involved shootings that have been on the right there and i have anaheim city manager even recommended to the city council last month that they do an independent review into these police incidents and these kinds of deaths they should be more easily preventable accidents happen tragedies happen but these are trained officers who shouldn't fall who shouldn't fall to lethal force as the very first option there's no reason that something like this should be a trend there's no need for the numbers here to be increasing and it happens mostly in lower income minority neighborhoods and often doesn't get a lot of attention because of those factors doglike to say that this is an issue of the mainstream media should also pay attention to that doesn't mean instead of aurora doesn't mean the two are the same they're not in aurora needs to be covered

but we also shouldn't lose sight of the fact that there is a lot of gun violence in this country and unfortunately police related gun violence on a daily basis but those are stories that the mainstream media always chooses to myths . so find out more about what happened in anaheim over this past weekend as i described manual dia's was reportedly running from police and was then shot more than once one of those gunshots being to the head then handcuffed and then taken to the hospital where he later died of his wounds now some reports of said what happened next was a near riot with witnesses throwing bottles of police officers and police responding by shooting rubber bullets and bean bags into the crowd which included women and children. holland police. confront the quiet of terrified children. residents and across. the street and the she's

a snarly police dog which attacks for more than a child. now on sunday protesters came out again gathering in the lobby of the anaheim police department and again near the scene of the shooting at night two officers have so far been placed on paid leave after saturday's shooting and some reports say the police were trying to buy video footage from those who had been filming with their cell phones so more do we know and again what does it say about belief and gun violence and accountability well joining me to discuss this rescue in los angeles is amber stephens a reporter with the o.c. weekly and the of broadband is davey d. host of hard knock radio want to thank you both for joining me tonight i am going to start with you you know you a local reporter from the area and just you know that of the breakdown that i gave there are there any other details you can tell us anything that you can fill us in on especially just starting from this shooting on saturday night and what happened about your ideas. what actually were like to start with as there was another

shooting last night in anaheim it happened the neighborhood there was another young young man who was shot by anaheim police so this is the eighth officer involved shooting this year and this is the second and twenty four hours i was on the scene last night apparently the family was there sobbing and weeping police won't give them any information about exactly what happened when i talked to the spokesperson for and i am pleased you told me that the young man was suspected of stealing a car and then police had shot him after there was a gunfire exchange. had davy and fortunately i feel like you and i have spoken about stories like this too often and i mean obviously this kind of thing doesn't only happen in california happens all around the country but do you think is there something is there some reason why we've seen more incidents like this in california or have they just gotten more public attention. i think there's

a climate of fear that is being. put out there and that there's a narrative that the police are now following day in and day out so i think it's a combination of one years hearing about these shootings more and more but you also because it is climate of fear seeing them actually take place and so the situation in anaheim you got eight in one year we got ten in the bay area and it's always the same scenario in anaheim he was saying he seemed like he was a suspected gang member we've heard that for the past twenty years everybody who shot is a suspected gang member as could grant was a suspected gang member when he was shot and so it seems like the police have an agenda what that agenda is i don't know but it seems like it's rooted in privilege positioning themselves to always be. in dire situations where they have to use deadly force and they want the public to back that and i think it's an

unfortunate situation because when you try to explain what's really going on you have all these scenarios that people have already believed then that it makes you almost sound crazy when you say this something to the contrary and then i'll just close by saying the lack of trust in many communities between the police and the people at large is that an all time high in my opinion just here in oakland you seeing the situation with a gentleman by the name of allen blue shirt here he was shot and you have the same replay he was a sixpence to. and therefore we had to shoot him yet when it comes to the mass murder james holmes was the guy that was over here on five eighty where i live on the freeway who shot like a thousand rounds they managed not to shoot him take them in prison put him away and he's alive and well but when it comes to black and brown folks we're all we shot killed. always the same game plan that the police seem to conjure up when

explaining the shootings now amber davey there is talking about this rise of distrust to within the communities in which it's completely seems understandable right if you see arise in these kind of shootings in these deaths and so in that sense to you know from what you move through whom from who you've spoken to excuse me you know the way that the police then responded the way they were shooting those ever bullets in the bean bags into the crowd where there were children present are people taken that. was mostly people are outraged their outrage at that that could happen in their community i've been reporting on officer involved shootings and home for the past two and a half years tensions have been rising the city council knows about this the police officers know about this everyone knows that people are outraged by citizens being fired upon by anaheim police and it keeps on happening and i think what was said

earlier about how there is this criminalizing effect they try to criminalize the people who are shot by the police and this happens time and time again the first information that's released usually is after the victim's name is on the criminal record and what they were doing apparently when the shooting occurred which is usually some sort of crime or being a part of some gang in the neighborhood you know one of the interesting thing if you're going to be in it. one of the things that's important is that oftentimes and i'm just talking to somebody in media we get the police version first you know if we work for a big mainstream outlet they tell you call the police spokes person get their perspective and then it becomes gospel that gets put out there and so as the young lady was saying what's included is his criminal past so even if it was twenty years ago that somehow makes the narrative which in people's minds justifies whatever

actions take place what we don't talk about is when we find out that maybe this oftentimes this person wasn't committing any sort of criminal activity i mean we have a situation in oakland where a gentleman was shot and the first stories we heard his name was alan bluford he was a high school senior we heard that he was shot because he shot at the police and that the officer was wounded everybody ran with that story then you find out like a week later the officer shot himself in then lied about it but nobody to wants to talk about that and nobody's outraged that an officer would go out in why we were dead ask a grant was a member of a gang we come to find out he wasn't a member of the gang we heard that he was armed but then you come to find out that he was unarmed but the narrative in the seat is already planted in the public that these folks must have done something as in the last thing i want to let me interrupt you there for saying i want to touch upon this other point which is that you know something that's really changed the way that these stories are developed now is the fact that people have cell phone cameras right that we have footage that

witnesses are taking and obviously law enforcement doesn't like that and we see that across the country and so you know amber i'm just curious to know have you heard because there are some reports they're saying that the police are actually going around trying to buy the cell phone footage off of witnesses right because they want they want to control the kind of information that comes out. all right i got a couple reports of that i do not getting confirmation by day get reports of that was happening i talked to one gentleman who said that please try to take his camera had actual digital camera and they're trying to take it away and to have some sort of reason for for talking to and they try to claim that his bike was stolen or something like that so he did get footage of what happened when police were firing rubber bullets and there was a police officer who asked him for the footage and this is something that's common that's been happening not just in anaheim not just an orange county but all over all over the country police are asking people for the videos as evidence but the

people are allowed to film the police and they are allowed to to my knowledge to keep the footage for themselves yeah there are three states only in the u.s. where they're using you know and all their loss to try to tell me what they can film the police but again that's we've seen that with the occupy movement you write a lot of people filming and that's how we find out the information we've got to wrap it up pretty soon but you know david to say you have a more word here to me what do you think what happens if if these guys aren't held accountable to officers and put on paid leave that's not exactly accountability well i think what happens is that in bolden see officers i mean if we can't get a. length of time given to the officer johannes messily who shot grant then it leaves people feeling not only distrustful in the in the justice system but it only other side it also leaves the perception at officers feel like they can do whatever they want and get away with it because if you can get away in broad daylight literally of shooting somebody as those that officer did what i ask you

grant you know everything else you can probably just run to the to the bank which i'm going back to the thing with the cell phones remember after i ask you grant we shut the police ran on the car trains and started taking everybody so phone saying quote unquote they needed evidence so this is a common practice that they're doing. people get their cell phones back the pictures are missing so phones a broken in most people don't have money for a lawyer or anything like that to follow up and really bring these scenarios into account so i think it's a situation where we're going to continue to see people. trust in a system be. cheered up on to the point that we're just going to say well it's just another one what can we do about it and that's going to be really bad when you start to have that happen all right guys i got to wrap it up but i want to thank you both amber and david for joining us tonight thank you thank you thank you so much. our guys it's time for

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so time will cover a number of developments in u.s. foreign policy national security policy for starters there's a new policy it's being enforced by the obama administration that will eliminate the right of defense attorneys to visit their clients of guantanamo bay so we have to ask what message that since then of targeted killings been going on for decades and yet drones are just giving us a more public look into it and also at least forty eight separate attacks have killed more than one hundred people in iraq and what insurgents are calling a new offensive titled breaking down walls in syria said the chemical weapons won't be used against the local population they would be against foreign attackers so here to discuss it all with me is bruce fein former deputy attorney general under president ronald reagan and chairman of the american freedom agenda and joining us from ollie is retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior national security advisor at the task force on national and homeland security and author of operation dark heart gentlemen thanks for joining me tonight let's start with get shall we so

suddenly we find out that this new policy goes into effect because of one of the defense attorneys who has whose client is a yemeni detainee there and he receives this e-mail saying that he has to sign a new them random that from now on the government is going to have absolute off already over access to counsel what does that exactly mean. a detainee who wishes to challenge the legality of detention no longer has control over legal representation which is the equivalent of saying the government gets to decide whether you have a lawyer who can effectively represent you and this is not the first encroachments on their right to legal counsel which is in trying to in the six the member to the united states constitution is recognized is essential to due process in every civilized system of justice but the guy. one of the united states has even insinuated that in a court of law if a lawyer represents someone who's accused of being a terrorist that can be material assistance to terrorism they could expose the

lawyer to prosecution it's another example of the erosion of due process this has been the mark of both republican and democratic administrations the entire legal culture since nine eleven i mean if you ask me it seems it seems pretty ludicrous basically we're telling these people that already yes as you mentioned there are very many restrictions to challenging your detention right with for some people the government is saying it's going to be indefinite and that they're on trial and now you can't meet with your lawyer it's just one more encouragement there but you know tony one of the things that we've always heard at least from the obama administration is that they really want to shut this place down and it was congress that was in the way and they tied the president's hands there's nothing he could do about it but why does the president have to do this right why do we have to start using this kind of policy i feel like then all those other arguments become moot. well first i agree with bruce on. both sides and the issue here alone is not what the president one of the regarded closing guantanamo i have done that. is the

way you want to do it one of the locations he was trying to put people right here good old downtown metro washington d.c. in the alexandria lock so you know nobody wanted those folks there because it would be tried in civilian court and they were found not guilty they get to go on to the local population here nobody would stand so it's really his own fault there's other methods of. not with that so there needs to be some resolution of this and frankly the due process of getting something done i mean we cannot hold these people as far as i'm concerned definitely there has to be some outcome in both administrations that all of the al i'm actually pushing this and. it should be abundantly clear that they are guilty of the idea of a week or so for example never done anything against their elder and i think they put him up in some caribbean island. but it's not an addict would use of just what

i think is too though is that it was one of the things that we've heard so much too is that because of all these legal headaches now that have resulted because we have a detention facility at guantanamo bay and people that have been tortured right that they don't want to try is that maybe that played a role in this president choosing to kill rather than capture and i think that's right they didn't want to suffer the that the difficulty of a trial of another colleague sheikh mohammad something like that if they could have it down even though you and i talk about this policy all the time and so i was saying about this piece from the nation today that said well you know everyone thinks that this kind of policy would never have been ok in the past a targeted killing policy a kill list but then it goes back through decades and says in fact these assassinations these killings so they've been around forever it's just we fight. we now know about that because groans have made it more public but i don't know whether that's accurate it's certainly true with regard to the what we called the church hearings in the united states in the one nine hundred seventy s.

at the united states was involved in assassinations repeated attempts on fidel castro for example in the dominican republic in the congo but they weren't open and institutionalized at least we had the decency to keep them covert now is he open in the tourist policy of the united states to do these things and to go back to the issue of guantanamo that you raise there is an easy way to shut it down it's to follow corpus and due process either charge them with a crime and try them and convict them and release them or let them go that's the way it's been done for over two hundred years it takes no magic you don't have to be novel and invent something new process that's what's there and every single person who was detained at guantanamo bay allegedly has provided material assistance to a terrorist organization namely al qaeda and that's a crime under civilian law and remember we have experience with addressing this kind of issue with even the so-called twentieth hijacker zacharias moussaoui he was tried to cross the river in alexandria bills or well they were afraid but no he did

true astride the jury sentenced him to life in prison he's now serving a life term we had jose padilla who was also accused of bringing in wood called radiation bomb and he was tried in a courtroom i think it was north carolina he's now serving a long jail sentence but this idea that oh congress is tying his hand no despite all the concert series there have been many cases in our civilian courts have a much higher record too than the military commissions do when it comes to and sentencing in the longer prison but i want to go back to this to the targeted killing in the drones that i think i you know are part of a result of this and i you say you know he said at least like that they had the decency to keep it secret and now this is something that's being publicly flouted publicly written about the press used as a way to make the president seem tough but then at the same time you know is that more of a positive tony that at least that we know about and it's not from our public school. even just going on behind closed doors no not really this is what you pointed out this is a. look on the american. elections not. any so that's the bottom

line let me be very clear on this special operations folks are talking so that they're no longer care should anyone's reading this let's go back to right before nine eleven we knew this certain folks are bad actors we chose not to do with. out this acid. so what i'm saying is the way we're playing this right now we're creating your own deficit of gray she decks of intelligence much like my. character i know what's going on we're doing the same thing now by the fact we're just showing and it's not fundamentally helping us either. around or actually like i mentioned or do the necessary intelligence gathering that will keep us safe from another marijuana most specially if these days we're going to focus on smaller operations intelligence gathering is also going to play a larger role and so i want to segue here to to what's going on in iraq you know a lot of violence but especially just on monday morning over one hundred people

were killed the last report i saw said one hundred seven you know we were seeing that it's called what is it breaking down walls i lost it in my notes just another new offensive but you know this is after we had a war there this is after after we've already left and so just another example that we shouldn't be going around trying to nation building because that's what we thought that we're only going to leave the country in shambles look at somalia after our great intervention twenty years of total chaos libya's already got sixty militias instead of one with colonel gadhafi we don't we are not smart enough to know how to remanufacture societies though they emulate. democracy in the rule of law and we shouldn't have the hubris to think that we can do that aside from the fact in my view we don't have any authority to do it anyway we have authority over ourselves we vote we pay taxes. we can use the influence of our example to encourage people abroad but force no we have a right of self-defense but that's it no right of of off it and that's what totally

lost sight of in our foreign policy where we've turned truly into an empire and so will in that sense you know if you think about what's going on with syria the administration isn't actually pushing for using military force obviously there are a few politicians out there the john mccains of the world that are always doing it but i mean you know tony you you i know you two have mixed views when it comes to syria because we have. saying that they won't use chemical weapons on the local population but they would perhaps on foreign attackers the arab league is saying that he could have a safe exit if he left now what are the chances here you think that there is still a diplomatic way that there is no need for a use of force. well i think. i think i'm going to want i think bruce and i would agree point the fly right in not good enough when you saw all the right do i take great umbrage with john mchugh calling us you know not doing the right thing by not going in there are jobs we're not to have you with

that said i think we have to be very careful with all we work with our allies it is the saudis turkish iranians obviously your is an ally but what you israelis and the iranians what they're doing the attention the fact that the regions are stable there are some of the weapons out there that could be given to all of the man who post we have to have some concern about and should be us and the military operation to deal with it should be the turks you know those who live there who be the ones most likely to target buyers but even if we don't think about it i am a little wetter than that and the recent past now iraq's saddam hussein used it against and how large against the kurds he used against iran during the iraq iran war i think that's terrible i think that's atrocious but what's the need was the united states intervening say oh now with this is terribly have chemical weapons afoot you know it's something that we simply cannot control and they result of our attempting to control is that we end up with deficits and things become worse we need to rid it remember that things can always get. become more days here added

then less with are involved all right i'm going to have to wrap it up but i want to thank you both for joining me tonight. thank you. for another quick break but when we come back having african of you said i read it and in light of recent reports on poverty and inequality publicans might want to revise their class warfare talking points plan for the. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture.